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Cirian · Dec 16, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

I think we can rule inscribables out. In fact, the really funky items are impossible to recreate with inscriptions, like some of the oldskool shields I remember with dual damage reductions. The nearest I have is this thing:

Sadly I don't have any old weapons like those above... can't remember if I've even seen an unconditional before! The fashion used to be fellblades, but I've seen so many... hey, were there ever max damage Ascalon Mauls?

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/4/40/Ascalon_Maul.jpg

I've never even heard of a maxed one of these.

There was a myth about a focus with something like -10e/+1 pip in pre-searing, but I think it was just a myth.

I loved the pics of those unconditional damage weapons btw

carnage-runner · Dec 16, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Ok.. clearing something up... NO ONE.. Has weapons like that one I posted. And no Toad he's not really online, talk with Chaos, he'd know better as to when. Yes that is the rarest thing in game that I know of, no it's not customized. It isn't something that anyone can afford except for maybe.. MAYBe.. 3 people. Regardless, unconditional r8.. serpent.. 14%. given the fact unconditionals only dropped for what.. the first 3 weeks if I remember my history correct.... It's also an extremely rare skin, let alone the req and mod. GG.... Unconditionals are no longer around for 3 reasons.. You can't contact the owners as they quit, they are customized, people with them do not sell them as there is nothing worth more in the game. (There isn't anything in the game that you could fit in a trade window*** worth as much as that serpent.)

Edit: sorry for being a little harsh there.. uhh..

at OP.. Req 7 items with max stats a max inherent mods are also very rare numerically in game. As well as and not exclusively to, Crystallines, Dwarven Axes, Serpent Axes, Swamp Clubs, Dwarven Hammers, Chaos Axes req8 with +5 energy (only had 1 ever, only seen 4 others), Req 8 Mursaat Hammers with 15^50, and obviously staves such as Canthan Dragon Staves, Shields such as Magmas, Guardian of the Hunt, Echovald, are exceedingly rare.

There are also several mini pets that are in low double digit high single digit numbers due to account bans from duplicating rare materials or other stackable items. Such as and not limited to, Pandas, Island Guardians, Vizu's, Shiro'ken's, and of course Kanaxai's which are very very limited....

Anything inscribable has a shelf life of 6 months then declines rapidly. Uninscribable things are exceedingly rare, anything like oldschool dual neg shields, or old perfect staves, 15/-1 weapons, are also tres rare...

Challenge me, please..

I MP I · Dec 16, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by Cirian

Sadly I don't have any old weapons like those above... can't remember if I've even seen an unconditional before! The fashion used to be fellblades, but I've seen so many... hey, were there ever max damage Ascalon Mauls?

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/4/40/Ascalon_Maul.jpg

I've never even heard of a maxed one of these.

There was a myth about a focus with something like -10e/+1 pip in pre-searing, but I think it was just a myth.

I loved the pics of those unconditional damage weapons btw

I own a maxed Ascalon Maul that's old school this is the only one I currently have and it's dyed old silver.

t3dw4rd0 · Dec 16, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by aapo

- Market for those items is like the market for sneakers and t-shirts used by famous sport stars and other celebrities. The event which they were used has already passed and some people tend to live in the past.

Personally I'd probably take 14 uncond over 15^50. Not only because it's not in game anymore, but because if you DO happen to be stuck under 50%, which I'm sure could fly with some builds, it would be pretty useful. Its worth millions, and just because you think it's not worth it isn't going to make it any less rare. In case you didn't notice, this thread is for RARE items, not the "best" items.

And @ Darigaaz AKA Mr. Merch Price, do you really think that high end stuff explicitly says at the bottom "worth 5 armbraces, 2 stacks of ectos, and a few ghostly hero's (don't take anything less IMO)"? Even if it was a joke, there are people that do think that merch price=real price.

OT: Agree with 15% uncond being the rarest.

EroChrono · Dec 16, 2008, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by carnage-runner

Ok.. clearing something up... NO ONE.. Has weapons like that one I posted. And no Toad he's not really online, talk with Chaos, he'd know better as to when. Yes that is the rarest thing in game that I know of, no it's not customized. It isn't something that anyone can afford except for maybe.. MAYBe.. 3 people. Regardless, unconditional r8.. serpent.. 14%. given the fact unconditionals only dropped for what.. the first 3 weeks if I remember my history correct.... It's also an extremely rare skin, let alone the req and mod. GG.... Unconditionals are no longer around for 3 reasons.. You can't contact the owners as they quit, they are customized, people with them do not sell them as there is nothing worth more in the game. (There isn't anything in the game that you could fit in a trade window*** worth as much as that serpent.)

Edit: sorry for being a little harsh there.. uhh..

at OP.. Req 7 items with max stats a max inherent mods are also very rare numerically in game. As well as and not exclusively to, Crystallines, Dwarven Axes, Serpent Axes, Swamp Clubs, Dwarven Hammers, Chaos Axes req8 with +5 energy (only had 1 ever, only seen 4 others), Req 8 Mursaat Hammers with 15^50, and obviously staves such as Canthan Dragon Staves, Shields such as Magmas, Guardian of the Hunt, Echovald, are exceedingly rare.

There are also several mini pets that are in low double digit high single digit numbers due to account bans from duplicating rare materials or other stackable items. Such as and not limited to, Pandas, Island Guardians, Vizu's, Shiro'ken's, and of course Kanaxai's which are very very limited....

Anything inscribable has a shelf life of 6 months then declines rapidly. Uninscribable things are exceedingly rare, anything like oldschool dual neg shields, or old perfect staves, 15/-1 weapons, are also tres rare...

Challenge me, please..

The req12 +15% Dwarven Axe is in the Serpent Axe's category if you ask me, but of course, that one is customized, so not sure if it actually counts.
Then you have the sword & axe (Falchion? & Double Bladed Axe, if I'm correct) that are req8 and +15% but I suppose their skin messes things up a little. But well an infinite amount of gold minus a couple of million still is an infinite amount :P

And in the useless category (neglecting the possible HoM benefits in GW2) is Gaile's Frog, but that's of course a diffirent story.

FeroxC · Dec 17, 2008, 02:38 AM // 02:38

I've always been screwed.

Bought a req 11 dual reduction Eternal shield, flogged it as it was not req 8.

Bought req 8/9? Zodiac daggers when they were new for like 100k + 30e then they turned worthless.

Bought a req 9 inscribable mursaat hammer(still got) when it was new for like 300k then that turned practically worthless.

My GW career has just been a series of bad decisions on the item front, good times though

Yang Whirlwind · Dec 17, 2008, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

next time you try to scam us into thinking your crappy axe is worth a lot you should cover up the part that says value: 240 gold.

The value an item would gain you if sold to the merchant has nothing to do with it's value when traded to other players. Have you played Guild Wars?

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Originally Posted by aapo

- I'd merch it. Pitiful DPS even as if your health would stay under 50% long enough to warrant 1% drop in overall damage. Plus sundering sucks, even harder with 10/10...

The 10/10 Sundering mod is rare to come by these days, since they no longer drop in the game. For this reason alone, people buy them at prices greater than you could hope to get for a 20/20 Sundering.

You both seem to miss the point of these weapon's rarity (or have a very twisted and misplaced senses of humor).

They only dropped for a few weeks back when the game was released.
My guess would be that there are less than 10 of these weapon's left uncustomized on active accounts.
Chances are, no two of these are identical (different weapon's, skin and percentage). The ones sold here in the past drew bids of 1000e+.
This is not about how effective the weapon is,- it's purely a vanity issue: owning something no one else does.

retcute but deadly · Dec 17, 2008, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Please dont flame..and keep focus guys

carnage runner
I like your input and lets focus on Uninscribable weapon

Req 7 dont drop anymore...are they rare or history?

Req 8 weapon dont drop in HM..are they rare?

+5 energy .. 20/20 on oldschool etc, does that make a weapon rare?

***

I have a 10/10 Victos Battle axe..is that rare or history ( you can get a 20/20)

I have +5 energy oldschool sword, is that rare or just because i hate to merch stuff?

Rare = mode

real rare is for me still random drop with low droprate and unic skin

..if we say okay they can share skin..ten show me an Ether Staff

but nice discussion....

pumpkin pie · Dec 17, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

I wonder if there are any 10/10 victos's axes anymore

me me! my heros using them

it was one of the drops that I keep getting instead of the bulwark! I also still have the Ogre Slaying Knife.

Keira Nightgale · Dec 17, 2008, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by Yang Whirlwind

Do you? This threads title is "The definition of a rare weapon". We are not discussing utility at all.
That is a whole different debate,- feel free to open a thread if you want to discuss that.

Definition, some of us gave our definition of "Rarity" by including the concept of "utility".

Malice Black · Dec 17, 2008, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by carnage-runner

Everyone knows who's weapon this is.. It has all the charactaristicts of a rare weapon. Req8. Rare Skin. Boom.

That is money... Plain and simple nothing is as rare, or will be as rare.

Don't forget the Dwarven. Might be req12, but at the time they were rarer.

Plenty of no-negs around if you know the right people. Granted not that good, but no-negs all the same. Toad's 14% is nice, and there is also a no-neg req11 13%, no neg req12 13% and a req10 13% (long swords)

There is a no-neg non-max short bow 11% picked up very cheap by Capitalist

Plenty more, but my memory fails me.

retcute but deadly · Dec 17, 2008, 04:21 PM // 16:21

still:

Rare or rarity?

is this bow with dobb. rare or just a rarity?

Yang Whirlwind · Dec 17, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Keira Nightgale

Definition, some of us gave our definition of "Rarity" by including the concept of "utility".

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Rare Definition

rare (rer)

adjective rarer rar′er, rarest rar′·est

1. not frequently encountered; scarce; unusual

You see anything in there suggesting that utility helps define the concept of rare?

I think most here will agree that a req 7, either 15^50 or unconditional, would be the most versatile weapon, giving you the best combination of dps and possible builds.

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Plenty of no-negs around if you know the right people. Granted not that good, but no-negs all the same. Toad's 14% is nice, and there is also a no-neg req11 13%, no neg req12 13% and a req10 13% (long swords)

Plenty might be too generous a term though.

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Plenty more, but my memory fails me.

Don't sweat it mate,- none of us are getting any younger

(I couldn't remember the number to my cellphone the other day)

_Todeshand_ · Dec 17, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Don't forget the Dwarven. Might be req12, but at the time they were rarer.

Plenty of no-negs around if you know the right people. Granted not that good, but no-negs all the same. Toad's 14% is nice, and there is also a no-neg req11 13%, no neg req12 13% and a req10 13% (long swords)

There is a no-neg non-max short bow 11% picked up very cheap by Capitalist

Plenty more, but my memory fails me.

Don't forget about the req11 14% Longsword that I had sold to Vitto (I was in desperate need of money back then... being poor sucks

)

Oh, and of course SpiL, Herbs and Akh have some of the nicest unconds - I still dream of that req8 15% Double Bladed Spil owns.

So yeah... as we're talking about rarity: the req8 15^50 crystallines/dwarven-/Krytan axes for sure, any 5nrg "oldschool" crystallines, req7 shizzle (hammers and staffs mainly), tyrian (I mean Tyrian, not Canthan) Skins req8 5nrg

To people who wonder why someone would pay xxxx ektos for a req9 15^50 Tyrian Crystalline, but inscr. Crystallines are only worth ~250e (I am not sure if this price is up-to-date, I hardly played during the last months, sorry): people in real life (I know that kind of comparisons is not that popular among folks...kk) buy old, roman statues for thousands of Dollars, although they could buy new, less damaged (~better) imitated statues a lot cheaper. Why do they act so? Because they are collectors, they love to collect old / rare things that not everyone else possesses. The old thing doesn't have to be better than the new thing (usually it's actually worse), but it's just more rare and more "special". And the discussion here is not "the definition of a useful weapon, but "the definition of a rare" weapon.

Keira Nightgale · Dec 17, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by _Todeshand_

Don't forget about the req11 14% Longsword that I had sold to Vitto (I was in desperate need of money back then... being poor sucks

)

Oh, and of course SpiL, Herbs and Akh have some of the nicest unconds - I still dream of that req8 15% Double Bladed Spil owns.

So yeah... as we're talking about rarity: the req8 15^50 crystallines/dwarven-/Krytan axes for sure, any 5nrg "oldschool" crystallines, req7 shizzle (hammers and staffs mainly), tyrian (I mean Tyrian, not Canthan) Skins req8 5nrg

To people who wonder why someone would pay xxxx ektos for a req9 15^50 Tyrian Crystalline, but inscr. Crystallines are only worth ~250e (I am not sure if this price is up-to-date, I hardly played during the last months, sorry): people in real life (I know that kind of comparisons is not that popular among folks...kk) buy old, roman statues for thousands of Dollars, although they could buy new, less damaged (~better) imitated statues a lot cheaper. Why do they act so? Because they are collectors, they love to collect old / rare things that not everyone else possesses. The old thing doesn't have to be better than the new thing (usually it's actually worse), but it's just more rare and more "special". And the discussion here is not "the definition of a useful weapon, but "the definition of a rare" weapon.

Your comparison doesn't stand a chance, "Ancient roman statues" are masterpieces, works of art wich can't be realized anymore. Gw weapons are pixels they simply have to serve a game purpose. Seriously bring up better examples, a roman statue and a modern one are entirely different, while a non iscrib crystalline and an iscrib one are identical. I can give you the right about the "useful discussion" that went OT, but that was to spend 2cents in favour of the first guy who bought it and received his dose of bashing

And btw I firmly believe rare things such as "roman statues" should stay into museums rathen than in someone's private collection.

Yang Whirlwind · Dec 17, 2008, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by Keira Nightgale

Your comparison doesn't stand a chance, "Ancient roman statues" are masterpieces, works of art wich can't be realized anymore. Gw weapons are pixels they simply have to serve a game purpose. Seriously bring up better examples, a roman statue and a modern one are entirely different, while a non iscrib crystalline and an iscrib one are identical. I can give you the right about the "useful discussion" that went OT, but that was to spend 2cents in favour of the first guy who bought it and received his dose of bashing

And btw I firmly believe rare things such as "roman statues" should stay into museums rathen than in someone's private collection.

And the money spend on said items are nothing but pixels either.
The comparison is very apt in my opinion,- people who would collect priceless art and people who would buy those "rare collections of pixels", do so for the same reasons.
No one are comparing the items themselves,- only the way they are perceived, coveted and treasured by collectors.

EroChrono · Dec 17, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Keira Nightgale

Your comparison doesn't stand a chance, "Ancient roman statues" are masterpieces, works of art wich can't be realized anymore. Gw weapons are pixels they simply have to serve a game purpose. Seriously bring up better examples, a roman statue and a modern one are entirely different, while a non iscrib crystalline and an iscrib one are identical. I can give you the right about the "useful discussion" that went OT, but that was to spend 2cents in favour of the first guy who bought it and received his dose of bashing

And btw I firmly believe rare things such as "roman statues" should stay into museums rathen than in someone's private collection.

...

The ignorance is overwhelming... Of course antique objections & ancient pieces of art are more worth than anything in Guild Wars, there is no such scale of measurement that can describe the difference in value between a Michelangelo & some stupid sword in GW, but point Todeshand is trying to make;
In the GW world those uninscr. req8/9 15^50 Crystallines are the equivalent of what a Michelangelo is in the real world.

An original chair by LeCorbusier is just as good a job as keeping your butt from sitting on the cold floor as an Ikea chair, just as a inscribable Crystalline (or any other max sword for that matter) is just as usefull as a req8 15^50 Crystalline, but the rarity & exclusivity of it, that's where the difference is.
Those gold uninscribable Crystallines or unconditional damage weapons can't be realized anymore in the GW world.

Keira Nightgale · Dec 17, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by Yang Whirlwind

And the money spend on said items are nothing but pixels either.
The comparison is very apt in my opinion,- people who would collect priceless art and people who would buy those "rare collections of pixels", do so for the same reasons.
No one are comparing the items themselves,- only the way they are perceived, coveted and treasured by collectors.

No, a piece of art is unique and is known for its value wich is independent from the demand/offer. A gw weapon worth is dependant from the demand/offer, outside of that an iscrib item or a non iscrib one are identical. You cant recreate a piece of art like let's say the "Milo's Venus" and from this comes its unimaginable value. On the other hand a simple line of coding could spawn tons of unconditional crystallines. There is nothing to discuss here, the two things aren't even remotely comparable, even the thought of such comparison degradates the magnificience of such pieces of art, and on top of that shows someone is loosing his reality checks (no flaming attempt here).

For Chrono, what you probably missed is the entire point of my post, there should be no equivalent in GW of "Art collecting", the work behind a statue, a Faberge', a "da Verrocchio", and the fact these items are masterpieces of past artists gives a valid excuse to collect them.
In GW you can't use such excuses, there is no reason why an uniscrib item should be better (in terms of money) than an iscrib one, there is no research or human work, no objective reason to collect them outside of your own personal desire, simply you can get the same item with identical utility at a lower price while you can't obtain an identical Faberge' or an identical "da Messina". The whole point differs, gw items are meant "to be used", art exists to be admired hence it's uniqueness. Noone here is telling you how to spend your ingame money, but there is no reason to do it on such items, outside of your own gratification, no ideal "I collect because it's objectively rare", such argument can work in real life but surely cannot when applied to virtual items. Last,since we're going OT, I'd like to point out how some psychological studies found out that compulsive collecting is a form of nevrosis.

FengShuiDove · Dec 17, 2008, 07:40 PM // 19:40

While I think we've hit the nail on the head with the uninscribable, unconditional, low req rare skins, I think what's important to the OP is not the definition of "rare," rather the differentiation between "weapon" and "skin." He didn't want to hear "omg crys omg serpent" etc., or he'd have called it rare skin.

Which is exactly why the thread ends with these once in a lifetime individual weapons, regardless of skin. The standard pyramid of rarity of weapons would go along the lines of:

Normal skin < Rare skin
High req < Low req
Normal < Unique

Where each category has influence over the "rarity" of each individual weapon. Serpent Axe, r8, unconditional, for example, is close to or is the absolute rarest of each of the defining categories.

And that's what I would call a rare weapon =).

retcute but deadly · Dec 17, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

In old days Cryst og Dwarven was rare..
..so was Serpent and a bit mysterious because of random drop.

but if we say Serpent Axe, we have to live with his little brother